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[tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign

Graham Hayes-2
Hey All,

I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there is
a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the works, in
a way that may not be in the best interests of the non profits that it
was created to facilitate. [1]

A lot of  well known non profits have already joined, and as a
community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and
uses a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.

What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should use
its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?

- Graham


1 - https://savedotorg.org/

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Re: [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign

Thierry Carrez
Graham Hayes wrote:

> I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there is
> a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the works, in
> a way that may not be in the best interests of the non profits that it
> was created to facilitate. [1]
>
> A lot of  well known non profits have already joined, and as a
> community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and
> uses a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.
>
> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should use
> its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?

It probably makes more sense (and has more weight) at the Foundation-level.

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Re: [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign

Sean McGinnis-2
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On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hey All,
>
> I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there is
> a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the works, in
> a way that may not be in the best interests of the non profits that it
> was created to facilitate. [1]
>
> A lot of  well known non profits have already joined, and as a
> community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and
> uses a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.
>
> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should use
> its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?
>
> - Graham
>
>
> 1 - https://savedotorg.org/
>

I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add their
names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to the list of
organizations.

Sean

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Re: [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign

Jean-philippe Evrard
Hello,

I agree with others: IMO, it is the Foundation who should act on this.
I would love to see the OpenStack Foundation logo out there.

Thank Graham for showing us this petition!

Regards,
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Re: [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign

Graham Hayes-2
On 26/11/2019 14:25, Jean-Philippe Evrard wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I agree with others: IMO, it is the Foundation who should act on this.
> I would love to see the OpenStack Foundation logo out there.
>
> Thank Graham for showing us this petition!
>
> Regards,
> JP
>

I am not sure of the procedure, I am more than willing to put this
on the board agenda for Dec 10th, if that is allowed.

It should be a simple board resolution along the lines of:

   The Board supports the aims of the savedotorg
   campaign, and resolves to add its name to the list of
   supporting organizations.

Unless someone shouts I will propose it on the agenda [1] by EOW.

1 -
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/10December2019BoardMeeting

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Re: [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign

Graham Hayes-2
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On 26/11/2019 14:14, Sean McGinnis wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there is
>> a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the works, in
>> a way that may not be in the best interests of the non profits that it
>> was created to facilitate. [1]
>>
>> A lot of  well known non profits have already joined, and as a
>> community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and
>> uses a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.
>>
>> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
>> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should use
>> its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?
>>
>> - Graham
>>
>>
>> 1 - https://savedotorg.org/
>>
>
> I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add their
> names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to the list of
> organizations.

Yeap - that is a good point - I would encourage people who agree with
the petition to sign as individuals as well.

> Sean
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Re: [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign

Amy Marrich-2
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I agree with the OSF submitting on behalf of OpenStack and the other projects. I also like the idea of individuals signing as contributors.

Amy Marrich (spotz)

> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Sean McGinnis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there is
>> a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the works, in
>> a way that may not be in the best interests of the non profits that it
>> was created to facilitate. [1]
>>
>> A lot of  well known non profits have already joined, and as a
>> community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and
>> uses a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.
>>
>> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
>> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should use
>> its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?
>>
>> - Graham
>>
>>
>> 1 - https://savedotorg.org/
>>
>
> I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add their
> names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to the list of
> organizations.
>
> Sean
>

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Re: [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign

Jimmy McArthur-2
From my reading of the situation, it’s a done deal. It seems like ICAAN just crammed it through. Is there new info out that could reverse it?

Thanks,
Jimmy


> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Amy <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I agree with the OSF submitting on behalf of OpenStack and the other projects. I also like the idea of individuals signing as contributors.
>
> Amy Marrich (spotz)
>
>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Sean McGinnis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there is
>>> a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the works, in
>>> a way that may not be in the best interests of the non profits that it
>>> was created to facilitate. [1]
>>>
>>> A lot of  well known non profits have already joined, and as a
>>> community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and
>>> uses a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.
>>>
>>> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
>>> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should use
>>> its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?
>>>
>>> - Graham
>>>
>>>
>>> 1 - https://savedotorg.org/
>>>
>>
>> I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add their
>> names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to the list of
>> organizations.
>>
>> Sean
>>
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Graham Hayes-2
On 26/11/2019 16:16, Jimmy McArthur wrote:
> From my reading of the situation, it’s a done deal. It seems like ICAAN just crammed it through. Is there new info out that could reverse it?
>
> Thanks,
> Jimmy

My understanding is it looks bleak, but there is a chance to shame the
owners into halting the sale.

I think ICAAN can still block the same (until December 13th, 30 days
after they were notified), and through pure poor marketing, and
raising our voices, this could help convince the current owners of
PIR (who is ISOC) to re-consider the idea.


>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Amy <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with the OSF submitting on behalf of OpenStack and the other projects. I also like the idea of individuals signing as contributors.
>>
>> Amy Marrich (spotz)
>>
>>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Sean McGinnis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey All,
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there is
>>>> a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the works, in
>>>> a way that may not be in the best interests of the non profits that it
>>>> was created to facilitate. [1]
>>>>
>>>> A lot of  well known non profits have already joined, and as a
>>>> community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and
>>>> uses a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.
>>>>
>>>> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
>>>> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should use
>>>> its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?
>>>>
>>>> - Graham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1 - https://savedotorg.org/
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add their
>>> names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to the list of
>>> organizations.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>
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Re: [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign

Jimmy Mcarthur


November 26, 2019 at 10:34 AM


My understanding is it looks bleak, but there is a chance to shame the
owners into halting the sale.

I think ICAAN can still block the same (until December 13th, 30 days
after they were notified), and through pure poor marketing, and
raising our voices, this could help convince the current owners of
PIR (who is ISOC) to re-consider the idea.
Great news!  Thanks for the clarification.  I already added my name to the list and definitely agree about the Foundation support.  I'll raise it on our ML as well.


On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Amy [hidden email] wrote:

I agree with the OSF submitting on behalf of OpenStack and the other projects. I also like the idea of individuals signing as contributors.

Amy Marrich (spotz)

On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Sean McGinnis [hidden email] wrote:

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes [hidden email] wrote:

Hey All,

I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there is
a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the works, in
a way that may not be in the best interests of the non profits that it
was created to facilitate. [1]

A lot of  well known non profits have already joined, and as a
community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and
uses a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.

What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should use
its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?

- Graham


1 - https://savedotorg.org/

I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add their
names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to the list of
organizations.

Sean

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November 26, 2019 at 10:16 AM
From my reading of the situation, it’s a done deal. It seems like ICAAN just crammed it through. Is there new info out that could reverse it?

Thanks,
Jimmy




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I agree with the OSF submitting on behalf of OpenStack and the other projects. I also like the idea of individuals signing as contributors.

Amy Marrich (spotz)


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Re: [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign

Graham Hayes-2
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On 26/11/2019 16:44, Alan Clark wrote:
> Who owns savedotorg.org?  I see EFF references on the page but when I look it up the domain it appears to all be "REDACTED".

From https://savedotorg.org/index.php/about/ - it is ran by
NTEN (https://www.nten.org/)

It is supported by the EFF (among others)

>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Graham Hayes [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:35 AM
>> To: Jimmy McArthur <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: [hidden email]; foundation-
>> [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack
>> community support to the savedotorg campaign
>>
>> On 26/11/2019 16:16, Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>> From my reading of the situation, it’s a done deal. It seems like ICAAN just
>> crammed it through. Is there new info out that could reverse it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jimmy
>>
>> My understanding is it looks bleak, but there is a chance to shame the owners
>> into halting the sale.
>>
>> I think ICAAN can still block the same (until December 13th, 30 days after they
>> were notified), and through pure poor marketing, and raising our voices, this
>> could help convince the current owners of PIR (who is ISOC) to re-consider the
>> idea.
>>
>>
>>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Amy <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with the OSF submitting on behalf of OpenStack and the other projects.
>> I also like the idea of individuals signing as contributors.
>>>>
>>>> Amy Marrich (spotz)
>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Sean McGinnis <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there
>>>>>> is a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the
>>>>>> works, in a way that may not be in the best interests of the non
>>>>>> profits that it was created to facilitate. [1]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A lot of  well known non profits have already joined, and as a
>>>>>> community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and uses
>>>>>> a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
>>>>>> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should
>>>>>> use its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1 - https://savedotorg.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add
>>>>> their names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to
>>>>> the list of organizations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean
>>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign

Arkady.Kanevsky
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Sounds good

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Graham Hayes wrote:

> I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there is
> a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the works,
> in a way that may not be in the best interests of the non profits that
> it was created to facilitate. [1]
>
> A lot of  well known non profits have already joined, and as a
> community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and uses a
> .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.
>
> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should use
> its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?

It probably makes more sense (and has more weight) at the Foundation-level.

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Radcliffe, Mark
I am enclosing the statement by the Apache Software Foundation: https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-software-foundation-objects.

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Sounds good

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Graham Hayes wrote:

> I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there is
> a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the works,
> in a way that may not be in the best interests of the non profits that
> it was created to facilitate. [1]
>
> A lot of  well known non profits have already joined, and as a
> community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and uses a
> .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.
>
> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should use
> its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?

It probably makes more sense (and has more weight) at the Foundation-level.

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Graham Hayes wrote:
I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there is
a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the works,
in a way that may not be in the best interests of the non profits that
it was created to facilitate. [1]

A lot of  well known non profits have already joined, and as a
community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and uses a
.org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.

What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should use
its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?

It probably makes more sense (and has more weight) at the Foundation-level.

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Re: [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign

Kurt Garloff-2
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Hi,

On 26 November 2019 15:14:29 CET, Sean McGinnis <[hidden email]> wrote:

>On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>[...]
>> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
>> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should use
>> its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?
>>
>> - Graham
>>
>>
>> 1 - https://savedotorg.org/
>>
>
>I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add
>their names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to the list
>of organizations.

+1

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Re: [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign

Allison Randal
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A few more news posts about the topic:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/

https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-1839860118

http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-capture-the-dot-org-heist/

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/private-equity-firm-buys-org-domain-months-after-icann-lifted-price-caps/

https://medium.com/@jacobmalthouse/in-which-i-explain-why-all-of-andrew-sullivans-reasons-for-selling-org-are-wrong-449997d42cac

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50515786

HTH,
Allison

On 11/26/19 12:33 PM, Graham Hayes wrote:

> On 26/11/2019 16:44, Alan Clark wrote:
>> Who owns savedotorg.org?  I see EFF references on the page but when I look it up the domain it appears to all be "REDACTED".
>
> From https://savedotorg.org/index.php/about/ - it is ran by
> NTEN (https://www.nten.org/)
>
> It is supported by the EFF (among others)
>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Graham Hayes [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:35 AM
>>> To: Jimmy McArthur <[hidden email]>
>>> Cc: [hidden email]; foundation-
>>> [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack
>>> community support to the savedotorg campaign
>>>
>>> On 26/11/2019 16:16, Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>> From my reading of the situation, it’s a done deal. It seems like ICAAN just
>>> crammed it through. Is there new info out that could reverse it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>> My understanding is it looks bleak, but there is a chance to shame the owners
>>> into halting the sale.
>>>
>>> I think ICAAN can still block the same (until December 13th, 30 days after they
>>> were notified), and through pure poor marketing, and raising our voices, this
>>> could help convince the current owners of PIR (who is ISOC) to re-consider the
>>> idea.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Amy <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with the OSF submitting on behalf of OpenStack and the other projects.
>>> I also like the idea of individuals signing as contributors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amy Marrich (spotz)
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Sean McGinnis <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there
>>>>>>> is a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the
>>>>>>> works, in a way that may not be in the best interests of the non
>>>>>>> profits that it was created to facilitate. [1]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A lot of  well known non profits have already joined, and as a
>>>>>>> community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and uses
>>>>>>> a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
>>>>>>> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should
>>>>>>> use its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Graham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1 - https://savedotorg.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add
>>>>>> their names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to
>>>>>> the list of organizations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [Foundation Board] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign

Sean McGinnis-2
Thanks Allison. And thanks Graham for raising this in the community.

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 Allison Randal <[hidden email]> wrote:
A few more news posts about the topic:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/

https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-1839860118

http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-capture-the-dot-org-heist/

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/private-equity-firm-buys-org-domain-months-after-icann-lifted-price-caps/

https://medium.com/@jacobmalthouse/in-which-i-explain-why-all-of-andrew-sullivans-reasons-for-selling-org-are-wrong-449997d42cac

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50515786

HTH,
Allison

On 11/26/19 12:33 PM, Graham Hayes wrote:
> On 26/11/2019 16:44, Alan Clark wrote:
>> Who owns savedotorg.org?  I see EFF references on the page but when I look it up the domain it appears to all be "REDACTED".
>
> From https://savedotorg.org/index.php/about/ - it is ran by
> NTEN (https://www.nten.org/)
>
> It is supported by the EFF (among others)
>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Graham Hayes [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:35 AM
>>> To: Jimmy McArthur <[hidden email]>
>>> Cc: [hidden email]; foundation-
>>> [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack
>>> community support to the savedotorg campaign
>>>
>>> On 26/11/2019 16:16, Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>> From my reading of the situation, it’s a done deal. It seems like ICAAN just
>>> crammed it through. Is there new info out that could reverse it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>> My understanding is it looks bleak, but there is a chance to shame the owners
>>> into halting the sale.
>>>
>>> I think ICAAN can still block the same (until December 13th, 30 days after they
>>> were notified), and through pure poor marketing, and raising our voices, this
>>> could help convince the current owners of PIR (who is ISOC) to re-consider the
>>> idea.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Amy <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with the OSF submitting on behalf of OpenStack and the other projects.
>>> I also like the idea of individuals signing as contributors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amy Marrich (spotz)
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Sean McGinnis <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there
>>>>>>> is a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the
>>>>>>> works, in a way that may not be in the best interests of the non
>>>>>>> profits that it was created to facilitate. [1]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A lot of  well known non profits have already joined, and as a
>>>>>>> community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and uses
>>>>>>> a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on
>>>>>>> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should
>>>>>>> use its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Graham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1 - https://savedotorg.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add
>>>>>> their names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to
>>>>>> the list of organizations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation
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Graham Hayes-2
On 10/12/2019 16:01, Sean McGinnis wrote:
<snip/>

It seems the pressure on ICANN has had an effect:

https://www.icann.org/news/blog/org-update



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> <snip/>
>
> It seems the pressure on ICANN has had an effect:
>
> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/org-update
>
>

Great to see something happening. Thanks for the update Graham!

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On 12/16/19 6:15 AM, Graham Hayes wrote:

> On 10/12/2019 16:01, Sean McGinnis wrote:
>> Thanks Allison. And thanks Graham for raising this in the community.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 Allison Randal <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>     A few more news posts about the topic:
>>
>>     https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/
>>    
>> <https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/>
>>
>>    
>> https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-1839860118 
>>
>>    
>> <https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-1839860118>
>>
>>
>>    
>> http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-capture-the-dot-org-heist/ 
>>
>>    
>> <http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-capture-the-dot-org-heist/>
>>
>>
>>    
>> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/private-equity-firm-buys-org-domain-months-after-icann-lifted-price-caps/ 
>>
>>    
>> <https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/private-equity-firm-buys-org-domain-months-after-icann-lifted-price-caps/>
>>
>>
>>    
>> https://medium.com/@jacobmalthouse/in-which-i-explain-why-all-of-andrew-sullivans-reasons-for-selling-org-are-wrong-449997d42cac 
>>
>>    
>> <https://medium.com/@jacobmalthouse/in-which-i-explain-why-all-of-andrew-sullivans-reasons-for-selling-org-are-wrong-449997d42cac>
>>
>>
>>     https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50515786
>>     <https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50515786>
>>
>>     HTH,
>>     Allison
>
> <snip/>
>
> It seems the pressure on ICANN has had an effect:
>
> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/org-update
>

It's progress anyway. Hopefully this additional inquiry will result in
some real changes.

Thanks for getting the word out, Graham. I might have missed this
completely otherwise.

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